Sum 3d the right choice for milling implant connections?

Discussion in 'CAM software' started by nunomrts, Dec 21, 2016.

  1. DMC

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    Sorry to call you an idiot.
    SUM3d is not crap.
    Same deal as all other Industial CAM.
    They are selling lots of it, and nobody really trashing it online.
    I love it!

    9-10yrs for me now to use it.
     
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    Thank you that means a lot to me I also made a mistake to call it crap. What I really meant to say it is too powerful straight from the box for the average user to understand it complexity. Sum is a great product but the company needs to spend a little more time on documentation. In the states you have Mike who is fantastic but the resellers in the UK especially the Roland resellers have no clue on what they have sold. I try to help people who phone me with a little knowledge I know. But I don't have the time. I understand software and can write some g code but I don't have the time to sit and even delve into the guts of sum that really is a beast inside. You really are a good man and should be proud of your achievements and the skill and knowledge you have built up I know the hard work it takes to achieve the level you are at. Very best wishes Chris
     
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    There are many levels of UI for SUM3d.

    Usually, 99% of people run it with many features and buttons hidden.

    Only see what they need to see.

    Like for the Roland users. Cut some simple copings and bridges out of soft material with basic tools. That's it!

    Resellers for that do not claim it can mill everything, but customers and owners still think they want to try different tools, and advanced geometry on the parts they are cutting, and changing strategy for some reason?
    This is where issues and questions arise.

    Wrong machine for the job, customer did not pay for that training and strategies, reseller does not have experience to help. So......yeah!

    You get what you pay for! Has nothing to do with SUM3d. Just business 101.
     
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    I echo the works of a CAM company exec - we have sold cam software for many years to industry, with few problems. It's impossible to comprehend what dental techs try do do with (sic) our software.

    There are reasons why most dental cam interfaces are trimmed back, and I can't speak more highly of the support of cimsystems in Italy. We have dealt with GO2cam, sum3d, multiple industrial cams, and totally support everything Scott says. Cams are a powerful tool that can cause monster problems in the wrong hands. They're not really end user modifiable for sensible reasons.
     
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    Milling metal in VHF S2 is the worst commercial thing ever published in the entire dental market..........

    Many people out there ''kill'' their machines because simply some resellers sold the VHF as a HAAS or whatever other big machine.........

    My advice .........use the machine for anything else except metal...........


    Regarding SUM3D ............I will describe it with 2 words '' GOD'S HAND'' on your mill.............

    Buy it and produce quality stuff
     
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    I really like the SUM !!

    No complaints

    We power 14 mills with One license!!

    Almost 10 years.

    We can mill anything we want

    I paid for top level training and support, and that is what I was delivered.

    It was much harder to learn that anything else I have done, except to master the stupid 3d systems printers
     
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    This so true it is hard to master because it is logic in its conception the mathematical symbols used as icons are intuitive if you have a high level of mathematical ability. cim systems is a good company otherwise they would be out of business. it is testament to their software that has been sold successfully over a long time and their commitment to our industry in the future. I can see their direction of travel.Their new software Millbox is great for my way of thinking by simplifying the interface. Underneath is the real sum if you need it for addition features. It is a great package for the price. That is why I bought it after trying almost all the other cam software. Including follow me etc.
     
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    It is not just the sum3d software, as Gianmarco explained.

    You need to be familiar with your machine's macros for tool measurement and tool-breakage detection...your machines limits for all sorts of things! How does your machine react to G0 vs/ G1....

    The difference between downmilling and upmilling and when to use them

    The correct way to use your tools. (How many flutes? What diameter? What coating?)

    The materials and what they require vs/ the tooling? What is your ideal chip size and rate of chips falling....

    on and on and on!!!
     
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    G1 straight line cut speed if you like me to write code I can I know the equations theses are not complex for me. I did this for years, g code is not difficult to write try some assembly code which I started on. Would you like some brain teaser equations to work on. We can trade math problems if you like. Would you like a break down of sum code and its dll libraries all theses terms are not new this basic cnc.
     

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